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It turned out to be another long comment, so I made it a post... again.

Sulz, that was a very interesting post.

My friend and Juan sound like they are Particularists. They expect unconditional (speaking figuratively) love when they don’t deserve it, because they are willing to give unconditional love when the other party doesn’t deserve it either.

I may be a Particularist... However, I don't know about your friend, but I can tell you that that definition doesn't quite apply to me. Let me explain with this example:

Let's say that you and I met not while ago, let's say we met in February, I read your blog, we exchanged emails and I got to like you. And because I like you, and to show my appreciation of our new friendship, I give you a book. Then you tell me: "But why? I haven't given you anything" or "Why? We just met, I think I haven't done anything for you to give me a book" or something similar. I simply answer: "Well, because I like you and I think you're a wonderful person", or something around those lines. I, for one, because I know you like reading, I get happy to see you happy for getting a new book. But at the same time, I forget that I gave you a book and don't expect anything in return. I don't expect that in a few days you'll get me a CD of my favorite Rock band, for example, just because I gave you a book.

You could say, "oh, but you deserve it bacause you gave me a book". Well, my answer to that would be that I didn't give you a book just to deserve a gift from you in return... you know what I mean?

Another example would be like offering to MusEditions to port a skin for her without even knowing her that well. Why would I offer her that, you might ask? well, because I noticed how much she liked yours and thought, "okay she may get happy if I port one for her." I mean, just the idea of making someone's day, makes me feel good. And if MusEditions doesn't communicate with me ever again after I port the skin for her, that's unimportant to me. Why? because I don't expect anything in return. Not even a link back.

(MusEditions, please excuse me for including you in my example)

Now, if I need something, I don't expect to receive anything from any one just because I would help them if it was the other way around. You would have to be someone really, really, really close to me for me to expect something from you. You know what I mean?

In summary, what I'm trying to say is "Just because I'm willing to give unconditional love when the other party doesn't desrve it (as long as I don't hate or dislike that person * ), I don't expect to receive unconditional love either".

So what would that make me? a 75% or maybe 50% Particularist? :)

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* Of course, I'm not an angel either... and as a human, I can be a major asshole too if the wrong buttons are pushed...

sulz

well, the concept is really something quite general. i mean, i don't think i'm a total universalist either. :) yeah, i don't know if my friend leans toward particularism either, but i think the dimension helps to explain better why we couldn't see eye-to-eye about this issue.

April 11, 2008 8:40am

Juan

I see what you mean. :)

Well, I hope you two can talk things over and reach to an understanding of what you expect from one another.

Best!

April 11, 2008 12:33pm

Crazyasuka

Ohh hahah "another comment".

Well Juan, I think your disease is contagious, for I was trying to write my comment to sulz about this and it became a post too...

Youuu... contagious person.

April 11, 2008 1:18pm

About my friends « The World According to Me

[...] for SULZ, but I decided to be selfish and use this good blog material for my own post. Also copying JUAN’s behaviour who was selfish before [...]

April 11, 2008 1:36pm

Juan

yes, I'm a very contagious person ;)

April 11, 2008 2:54pm

MusEditions

Juan, I'm very much the kind of friend you are. Sometimes I find myself out of sync with others, for instance, I met my sister at a holiday celebration, and she told me I looked very nice. I said "Thank you!" Then she looked at me expectantly, and I finally figured out I was supposed to tell her she looked nice, too! She looked fine, in fact, but she usually does. I generally don't go out of my way to compliment someone on their appearance unless I notice something special or unusual. To me, if it were always automatically reciprocal, it wouldn't mean much. I'm like that in friendships, too. No obligation on either side, but if I'm with you, I'm truly there.
And, BTW, I'm FINE with you using me as an example! I'm not in the market for a new skin at the moment, but I may be in the near future, in which case I may come back and remind you of this post!!! (Naw, just kidding---no obligation. :) ) Thanks for the mention, though, it was a nice surprise.

April 16, 2008 5:51am

Juan

MusEditions, that's really cool to see I'm not the only one like that!

And by all means, please, if you want me to port a skin for ya, don't hesitate to let me know. It may take me some time to port it because of my side projects, though... but I'll be happy to do it.

April 16, 2008 6:07am